lol @ point 1.

I get angry if my ships have odd placed guns. You'll find the ships do actually have as many turret slots as there are high slots though. If you just place the guns in the latter slots first they'll show in different places on the ship model :)

Rather than add more +50% Hp bonuses to the command ships we're starting down the path that will allow us to remove that bonus from the Damnation and get them all into better balance.

A command ship is a fleet boostin specialist variant. It should never be as strong in combat as a navy battlecruiser. A regular battlecruiser ability is even pushing it, because the links have the potential of making a single ship worth a dozen in fleets.

The changes look good for all purposes except the tankability/gank ratio. Build the 50% hp bonuses into all ships and remove one or two effective turrets in compensation. EoS can live with 100 bandwidth. Reinforce CS as what they have become: a tough nut to crack whose boosts make you take a decision whether to kill it first or not. Don't have them compete in damage dealing with hac, BC, BS and other damage focused roles.

I agree with this, However I would remove the 10% hit point bonus instead. this would put the damnation on par with other CS and would remove any disparity between them. Either give all command ships a 10% hit point buffer, or remove it completely, simple as that.

Edit: No one likes flying a brick that does jack DPS :(

Since you're from wormholes, try fitting



and tell me again that you can't make use of that second high. In case you've been aiming at beamfits: LR-guns and badass utility doesn't go hand-in-hand without fitting mods. With a little trickery, you achieve what I meant with 'can get great fits on each of those CS' :D

edit: in a regular fight though, it should run out of boosters within the first 15 minutes...

I notice most of the command ships have two hardpoints for their off-weapon to put in those utility highs if they want. I can understand the Eos being left out of this (it already has drones as primary and turrets as secondary, and drones actually have a utility high slot mod), but why is the Absolution the only one left out of this benefit, with it's one launcher getting removed with the patch instead of another launcher added?

You fitted a tractor beam and you wonder if that's optimal for pvp?

seriously though, with 3 heat sinks and conflag the abso is pushing out close to 1000dps of em/therm. thats pretty powerful, considering that it can also fight at range with scorch.

It's a seriously good ship as it stands.

It's not that one puts probes on intending to use them, it's that if you find yourself with a high slot open and fitting that's just enough for a probe launcher, you may as well mount one and stuff 8 probe in, just in case. Heck, if you have the slot and not the fitting, put one on and off-line it. Disasters happen, and that launcher might save you an expensive ship and clone, and a long flight back in (and your mates the inconvenience of finding you a way back in).

Now, if one can fit something more useful to a ship's role in your fleet (gang links, neuts, etc.), obviously you should. But if the slot is free, I'm a fan of a probe launcher.

the example fit I posted has a medium neut. you can also get dual neut on it...

It sounds like you'll be favouring an astarte over an absolution for close-up work. I think that's reasonable. Whether it's more effective or not with depend on more factors that we can theorycraft here.

Back to the original point though, the absolution can be fitted fairly cheaply, without implants to have the following:
980 (theoretical, overheated) dps @ 8km
2 medium neuts
99.4k ehp.
a point
cap stable with 400 charges. (+41/-33 peak)

It's hardly going to be a liability in a gang, and it certainly doesn't seem to be unsuited to fitting neuts. Sure it's not going to be catching any cruisers by it'self. But neither is an astarte.

The equivalent astarte will struggle for cap if it's self-repping, and won't get close to the ehp of the absolution if it's buffer fitted.

For the record, I wouldn't turn either away...

Yes I think I agree that most situations are as you described, although as the fleet scales up in size I am always happy to trade some dps for depth of buffer, just to give the logi guys an easier time.

There was a time, not so long ago, when lasers were the best choice for pvp, and to be honest I don't think they are any worse than any other. In terms of damage application, pulse lasers are approximately equivalent to gardes on a dominix, which currently have the spotlight as the 'must have' weapons system-du-jour.

This things have more to do with fashion than anything else in my view.

Without looking to start an opinion war, I can offer some coutnerpoints:

1) EM is wonderful against shield tankers - particularly when they have been eneergy neutralised. It's also the best damage type to attack a T2 gallente ship in general.

2) Lasers generally come on ships that are designed to have a deep armour buffer, rather than an expensive cap-hungry self-repair system. Amarr ships generally have the largest cargo holds for cap boosters.

3) Taking a gallente ship into a fight without a cap booster is asking for trouble. Yes, many amarr ships trade a mid slot for a low slot. Utility for survivability. That's a valid trade.

4) I have used dreads for high-end wormhole work and some POS work. I'd take a revelation over a moros any day - the range versatility is more useful. The moros is (arguably) the best fleet ship for blapping nearby webbed battleships, but in reality I'd say it's too close to call.

5) if we ignore the navy omen, I agree - amarr ships are slow. But their ability to project damage is very good. They may nt dictate range, but they can hit well at all ranges.

6) The extra cap use also affects hybrids. The ships have strong enough capacitors, and enough cargo space to cope with it.

7) Comparing an alliance tournament match to pvp is like comparing a ladies boxing competition to a squad of special forces storming a machine gun nest. It's simply not comparable.

Max boosts take overheated navy web range to 23.7km, but yeah they are currently at quite reasonable prices.